It is not a schizophrenic zip file to have inline headers that are not referenced in the TOC. the TOC is the only source of truth in a zip file. It was designed this way in purpose so that you can add new versions of files on your 20 disk zip without having to re-write all 20 disks. Pkzip would read the TOC from disk 20, append your new file to disk 20 (or 21 if there was not enough space) and then write a new TOC at the end that does not reference the old file still in the zip. That is by design. Reading anything other than the files in the TOC is an invalid zip reader
masklinn 9 hours ago [-]
While that is true (even if some people really want to stream read zips and will thus trigger tar-style conflicts) that is not what the article is about. The article is really more about software using the "size of central directory" field to find the central directory (a sin Python's standard library apparently commits) versus the "offset of central directory".
A commenter on an other post of that article noted that technically there's no reason for the central directory to be right before the EOCD so seeking backwards from the EOCD by the size of CD is just incorrect. In fact zip was designed such that the central directory could be split across multiple disks (and later files), so it was not possible to guarantee a simple backwards jump from the EOCD to the start of CD.
iforgotpassword 9 hours ago [-]
This is not what the article is talking about.
It's talking about how the EOCD contains both the size of the central directory and the offset of the start of the central directory, which is redundant. So we end up with some tools honoring the offset, while some subtract the size from the EOCD.
the_arun 4 hours ago [-]
And how bad actors could take advantage of that.
m3kw9 2 hours ago [-]
I can think they would test which parser you have using some social engineering and create the zip appropriately, but they would also need to know the accountings parser. So I think they would just do the first step and leave it up to chance.
jonathanlydall 7 hours ago [-]
PDFs in .zip files is in itself a huge smell to begin with.
I don't think I've actually ever received a zipped up .pdf, so it's clearly not legitimately necessary for anyone to do so and should you ever see it you should treat it highly suspiciously.
I get admin@ emails for our company domain and there is a somewhat steady stream of run of the mill fraud attempts.
A trick I've seen happen quite a lot recently is emails with .svg attachments, which have some lightly obfuscated JavaScript in them and which ultimately redirects you to some dodgy looking URL (which I never visited).
I simply made a rule to outright reject all .svg files from external sources and I get a report any time it's attempted. In about the last 12 months this has been running, it's probably blocked about 20 incoming emails and only one of those was a false positive and even the false positive was a weird case as we were sending a .svg file to a creative company who for some reason had our .svg attachment in their reply back to us.
justin66 3 hours ago [-]
> I don't think I've actually ever received a zipped up .pdf, so it's clearly not legitimately necessary for anyone to do so and should you ever see it you should treat it highly suspiciously.
What kind of crazy logic is that?
nijave 2 hours ago [-]
Not sure... S.O. is an accountant and they're constantly emailing zips of Excel files and PDFs. Most of the monthly financials are a handful of different reports and they all get zipped together and emailed around.
I'm sure there's other common reporting use cases as well
Joker_vD 6 hours ago [-]
Well, there is a case for PDFs in a .zip, but it's when you're e.g. downloading some set of documents from your e-government site, and it's like 4 PDFs, all cryptographically signed: so you get a .zip with 4 PDFs in it and 4 .sig files with matching names.
But in emails? Just attach however many PDFs you need and send, they don't really compress anyway; and I think most web-mail fronts actually allow you to download all the attachments as a single .zip — but obviously those .zip-files are not maliciously crafted (I hope, at least).
Also, now that I think of it, forwarding the PDF you've extracted and visually reviewed instead of the original .zip-file would defeat this attack (unless, of course, it's the PDF file that's schizophrenic).
bbarnett 5 hours ago [-]
The other reason is to use zip's incredibly mega super secure password protection, to keep super secret docs safe.
(I see it all the time. Along with the password in the very same email)
gcarvalho 3 hours ago [-]
I’m not saying this is good security hygiene, but not necessarily everyone with access to the file will also have access to the password in the email.
e.g. someone downloaded the password protected zip on a public computer, logged out of their email, but forgot to delete the file.
2 hours ago [-]
wingmanjd 18 hours ago [-]
Since docx files are similar to a zip file with the extension changed, could this trick fake out Microsoft Word?
JdeBP 11 hours ago [-]
It's an interesting hole that the test cases don't cover any of Microsoft Office, Windows Explorer, PowerShell's various cmdlets, or the several major .NET ZIP archive libraries. It would seem that the author just does not use Microsoft Windows.
There's a whole extra level of archive file format tooling gotchas that one misses out on when one assumes "UNIX" for everything, and does not account for "FAT", "NTFS", "HPFS", and even "OpenVMS".
The trick depends upon different implementations doing different things. Not likely for Word (though I suppose it is -possible- across different versions or different OSes).
hnlmorg 9 hours ago [-]
It’s very common for organisations to only give expensive MS Office licenses to a subset of employees while the rest rely on O365 or Google Docs.
Then you have people on Linux or macOS who might also use LibreOffice, Apples Office suite, or something else entirely.
And given MS Office is the de facto standard, you’ll often see people open OOXML documents within non-MS office suites.
After all, OOXML is an open standard (sarcasm).
ODF (the document formats favoured by most other office suites) is also ZIP-based XML. So they too could be vulnerable.
sltkr 2 hours ago [-]
docx is supposed to be a portable format. There are many tools other than Word that open them. Just LibreOffice and Google Docs for example. They might well differ from Word or from each other in how they handle this case. Definitely worth testing!
netsharc 16 hours ago [-]
To respond to Grandfather comment, modern Office files are really just ZIPs with different extensions, they even have the magic string "PK" at the very beginning of the file.
I do wonder, since a lot of tools outside of the MS ecosystem can read Office files (e.g. LibreOffice and Google Docs as well as plenty of other online tools), if indeed the hack as described by the article is possible. One would just need to figure out the ZIP stacks used by said tools.
saghm 13 hours ago [-]
You can even just rename a docx file to use the zip extension and then manually unzip it for those curious. If I remember correctly, the contents are XML files with structure encoding the formatting around the content.
larschdk 11 hours ago [-]
The Office365 online and desktop implementations of zip could be different.
justsomehnguy 8 hours ago [-]
> As everything looks good, you forward the ZIP with the invoice to the payment team
Nope, because a typical accounting asset wouldn't make it and you know it so you forward the PDF to them.
soupfordummies 20 hours ago [-]
Obviously it sucks in the real world but I do always appreciate the cleverness of exploits like these.
netsharc 20 hours ago [-]
The described exploit seems theoretical. In order to create the schizophrenic ZIP, the attacker would have to figure out what ZIP stacks are being used and ensure they act differently - if the 2 departments use the same stack, then the exploit can't work, can it?
charleslmunger 10 minutes ago [-]
Check out CVE-2017-13156 which is a real exploit that leveraged differences in zip parsing to bypass a signature scheme.
JdeBP 12 hours ago [-]
None of this stuff is theoretical. It's just old.
There was a time when passing ZIP files around was a very popular method of software distribution, and things like this were gotchas that had to be watched for. It was widely known, at least amongst sysops, that the varied toolsets that handled ZIP archives were functionally different. And there were scanners and sanity checkers, and bugfixes to PKUNZIP, that dealt in this stuff for uploaded files and FREQ responses.
Did people exploit the differences? Yes. Although it was mainly on the level of creating prank ZIP files on non-Microsoft operating systems with 8.3 filenames such as "PRN" or "CLOCK$".
However, the truly terrible idea of self-extracting archives was popular, which meant that archives with "interesting" arrangements of the archive within the overall file were widespread. ZIP comments were also liberally applied and altered by pretty much every BBS that passed an archive along. And the Unix people wanted to be able to use pipes, something that the MS-DOS original never had to cater for.
Also, there were people who exploited the fact that different tools took different things as gospel. Even within the past decade one can find people still being caught out by the fact that there's a header field that instructs what the pathname separator character(s) used are; and that ZIP tools that expect non-seekable streams operate differently to ZIP tools that expect seekable regular files.
wqweto 5 hours ago [-]
Btw, in ZIP archives there is *no* header field that instructs what the pathname separator character(s) used are.
JdeBP 2 hours ago [-]
In theory there isn't, and everyone is supposed to use forward slash. But in practice there is, because not everyone has stuck to using forward slashes over the decades. Some tools are more forgiving of the differences amongst the various ZIP archive creators than others.
These people having fun with "Unix" versus "FAT" over the past decade are seeing the tip of the iceberg, given that there was a PKZIP for OS/400, there is a PKZIP for z/OS (and a competitor that claims to be cheaper), there are tools of varying degrees of Unixiness for systems like the Atari ST and OS/2, and a whole bunch of things have accrued over the years such as an outright extra header giving alternative filenames specifically for MacOS.
It's not unlikely that devs and such will be on Mac/Linux and accounting will be on Windows. I agree it's still somewhat theoretical but interesting nonetheless.
wat10000 17 hours ago [-]
A more realistic attack would be something like, slipping a malicious payload past a scanner by emailing a zip file that appears innocent when unpacked with the scanner’s zip implementation but produces malware when unpacked with the email client’s implementation. There’s a decent chance they’ll be different, and it wouldn’t be too hard to guess which ones a target might be using.
o11c 17 hours ago [-]
Often you don't have to guess, just use how the software responds as an oracle.
B1FF_PSUVM 19 hours ago [-]
Like spam, the exploit would still be profitable if only a small fraction worked.
o11c 17 hours ago [-]
I don't see anything "another" about this; this problem is well known by $((CURRENTYEAR-10)) or so.
sp0rk 17 hours ago [-]
The author explains in the article that they previously gave a presentation outlining various techniques to achieve a "schizophrenic" zip file. The blog post discusses an additional technique that was not present in their previous presentation.
amelius 5 hours ago [-]
Ok, so how do you handle them? Do you take screenshots of your PDFs before you forward them? Other ideas?
dbdr 4 hours ago [-]
You can forward the PDF itself, not the zip file.
amelius 4 hours ago [-]
I don't know much about the subject but I do know that PDF is an executable format, and I suppose it could use fingerprinting (based on e.g. screen size or resolution) to become schizophrenic (?)
A commenter on an other post of that article noted that technically there's no reason for the central directory to be right before the EOCD so seeking backwards from the EOCD by the size of CD is just incorrect. In fact zip was designed such that the central directory could be split across multiple disks (and later files), so it was not possible to guarantee a simple backwards jump from the EOCD to the start of CD.
It's talking about how the EOCD contains both the size of the central directory and the offset of the start of the central directory, which is redundant. So we end up with some tools honoring the offset, while some subtract the size from the EOCD.
I don't think I've actually ever received a zipped up .pdf, so it's clearly not legitimately necessary for anyone to do so and should you ever see it you should treat it highly suspiciously.
I get admin@ emails for our company domain and there is a somewhat steady stream of run of the mill fraud attempts.
A trick I've seen happen quite a lot recently is emails with .svg attachments, which have some lightly obfuscated JavaScript in them and which ultimately redirects you to some dodgy looking URL (which I never visited).
I simply made a rule to outright reject all .svg files from external sources and I get a report any time it's attempted. In about the last 12 months this has been running, it's probably blocked about 20 incoming emails and only one of those was a false positive and even the false positive was a weird case as we were sending a .svg file to a creative company who for some reason had our .svg attachment in their reply back to us.
What kind of crazy logic is that?
I'm sure there's other common reporting use cases as well
But in emails? Just attach however many PDFs you need and send, they don't really compress anyway; and I think most web-mail fronts actually allow you to download all the attachments as a single .zip — but obviously those .zip-files are not maliciously crafted (I hope, at least).
Also, now that I think of it, forwarding the PDF you've extracted and visually reviewed instead of the original .zip-file would defeat this attack (unless, of course, it's the PDF file that's schizophrenic).
(I see it all the time. Along with the password in the very same email)
e.g. someone downloaded the password protected zip on a public computer, logged out of their email, but forgot to delete the file.
There's a whole extra level of archive file format tooling gotchas that one misses out on when one assumes "UNIX" for everything, and does not account for "FAT", "NTFS", "HPFS", and even "OpenVMS".
Or ZIP64. (-:
* https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/blob/main/src/libraries/Sy...
* https://github.com/mihula/ProDotNetZip/blob/main/src/Zip/Zip...
Then you have people on Linux or macOS who might also use LibreOffice, Apples Office suite, or something else entirely.
And given MS Office is the de facto standard, you’ll often see people open OOXML documents within non-MS office suites.
After all, OOXML is an open standard (sarcasm).
ODF (the document formats favoured by most other office suites) is also ZIP-based XML. So they too could be vulnerable.
I do wonder, since a lot of tools outside of the MS ecosystem can read Office files (e.g. LibreOffice and Google Docs as well as plenty of other online tools), if indeed the hack as described by the article is possible. One would just need to figure out the ZIP stacks used by said tools.
Nope, because a typical accounting asset wouldn't make it and you know it so you forward the PDF to them.
There was a time when passing ZIP files around was a very popular method of software distribution, and things like this were gotchas that had to be watched for. It was widely known, at least amongst sysops, that the varied toolsets that handled ZIP archives were functionally different. And there were scanners and sanity checkers, and bugfixes to PKUNZIP, that dealt in this stuff for uploaded files and FREQ responses.
Did people exploit the differences? Yes. Although it was mainly on the level of creating prank ZIP files on non-Microsoft operating systems with 8.3 filenames such as "PRN" or "CLOCK$".
* https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.virus/c/zLV-Y2a71gs/m/U...
However, the truly terrible idea of self-extracting archives was popular, which meant that archives with "interesting" arrangements of the archive within the overall file were widespread. ZIP comments were also liberally applied and altered by pretty much every BBS that passed an archive along. And the Unix people wanted to be able to use pipes, something that the MS-DOS original never had to cater for.
Also, there were people who exploited the fact that different tools took different things as gospel. Even within the past decade one can find people still being caught out by the fact that there's a header field that instructs what the pathname separator character(s) used are; and that ZIP tools that expect non-seekable streams operate differently to ZIP tools that expect seekable regular files.
These people having fun with "Unix" versus "FAT" over the past decade are seeing the tip of the iceberg, given that there was a PKZIP for OS/400, there is a PKZIP for z/OS (and a competitor that claims to be cheaper), there are tools of varying degrees of Unixiness for systems like the Atari ST and OS/2, and a whole bunch of things have accrued over the years such as an outright extra header giving alternative filenames specifically for MacOS.
* https://michaelrommel.com/create/2022-12-28-malformed-zip-fi...
* https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/166159/5132
* https://github.com/filebrowser/filebrowser/issues/1768